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AOL no longer investing in infrastructure

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

Ok, so, you sell to Carphone Warehouse and then ramble on in the media about how you’re planning on buying businesses that might compete with them. Sound a bit silly? Well, it happened.

That’s over now? Does someone want to tell CPW’s Charles Dunstone that the guy he just paid £370m to openly thinks he bought a dog? I’d love to be a fly on the wall on Monday morning in that particular office.

I’m kind of glad really. Reminder: AOL users should run for the hills!

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More NetGear round up

November 14, 2006 · 10 Comments

For the NetGear users, try the below:

1. Adjust MTU. There’s a link on that post that will guide you.

2. Check CHAP and settings against the first NetGear round up post. You may need a firmware update.

3. Try the new settings in this post!

4. Try the beta firmware (Thanks chrs!) Mind you, I’m totally not liable if it hurts your router. Ok?

However, none of this may matter if you are part of the LLU group.

Issues from Michael:

Please can someone help me as I have no idea about routers and networking. It all started when a friend recommended the Netgear DG834GT wirleless router. I purchased one and plugged it in instead of the speedtouch that TT supplied. I clicked on the setup wizard and hey presto the thing worked. In fact I remember saying to my wife that it was easier to setup than the supplied modem (how I now regret saying that!). Everything was fine and I managed to get past the router dropping out every five minutes by switching my screen saver off and setting the monitor to switch off instead. That was until about 10 days ago. While connected at 576Kbps, the internet light went off which I thought was a problem with the ADSL line/exchange. I waited 24hours and still nothing. Before spending an obscene amount of money on the TT support line I tried the supplied modem. To my suprise this worked fine and still is. I therefore thought the 834 was faulty. I took this to a friends house and plugged it in to his BT line running Wanadoo as the ISP. Withing 30 seconds the nternet light illuminated and stayed on and connected perfectly. Therefore encouraged that the DG was working properly I swiftly took it home and plugged it in. You have guessed it nothing, nadda to this day the internet light will not come on yet the speedtouch works? I have changed filters, phone sockets, cables but still nothing. As I said I have never used a router before now especially a wireless one and have no ides but this just seems really really strange! How come a cheap inferior USB modem works but the expensive well reviewed one struggles. Has anyone got any suggestions as I am baffled?

LLU/NetGear combo example from Darren

Having the same problem with my DG834GT. Dropping the internet connection all the time and running very slow when running. Problem only started when upgraded to 8Mb. Have talk to Netgear Tech support they mess around with the setup tried MTU 1458 now changed to 1400 still no better. TalkTalk would not help as said they do not support any other router except Belkin. Has any one found a fix?

Firmware update didn’t work for Nehal:

well..guys, it didn’t work inspite of NETGEAR replacing the DG834G unit twice with a firmware thats has not been out officially!

I have finally managed to get a FREE brand new upgrade to DG834G-V3 router. Since it could be either a Firmware or an ISP issue, I have also sent a direct email to B. Richardson @ TalkTalk for further investigation just in case there any problem @ their end.

I am now waiting for the last one month to go online. I hate TalkTalk or should I say less Walk Walk !!! :o (

Some detail from chrs

Same here…

Sun, 2002-09-08 12:00:27 – Initialize LCP.

Sun, 2002-09-08 12:00:27 – LCP is allowed to come up.

Sun, 2002-09-08 12:00:31 – CHAP authentication failed

Sun, 2002-09-08 12:00:31 – LCP down.

I had been a talktalk 1MBit customer for a while, and these problems only started when I was switched over to the ‘free broadband’ 8MBit service. I understand that’s a technically completely different service, and that my DG834Gv2 might not be compatible any more. (the old USB modem still works)

Would love to try beta firmware for the router – where do I get that? it’s not on the regular Netgear support page.

thanks.

Norman can’t get anything to work:

i’ve tried 3com, belkin and netgear routers with all poss settings, NOTHING works, stills dropping connection. The problem is with talktalk but they say that they can’t help us folks with routers. Their advertising claims that routers can be used!!

A case for the lawyers I guess

Joe’s back! And his NetGear doesn’t work with the upgrade:

Netgear DG834Gv2 – Has anyone got this router to work with talktalk new 8mb service (firmware 4.01.02.00, v3.01.25)

I was upgraded to 8mb 23/20/06 and router keeps dropping, tried all the good stuff suggested on this site. Can anyone recommend a wireless router and version number that works with 8mb .

talktalk speedtouch modem works, phone line doesn’t work (no dial tone) but the phone is the least of my worries.

He also comes with a tip!

quick question – is anyone running Netgear DG834Gv2 with v3.01.31.

I have seen lots of posts on an Australian forum which says it fixed constant drop problems on ADSL2 lines.

Something that worked for Cjdinc

I have a Netgear DG384G wireless router with the following settings that works with TalkTalk

Encapsulation – PPP over ATM

DNS -Get automatically from ISP

MUltiplexing Method – VC-Based

VPI 0

VCI 38

Let me know how it’s going!

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Customer service tips from Five Cent Nickel

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

This is a particularly useful article for those of you with persistent problems. Have a read through and learn from the Americans how to ‘deal’ with customer service.

First of all, I always give the regular customer service reps (CSRs) a chance to solve any problems that might arise. Unfortunately, it seems that plain old CSRs are nearly powerless when it comes to fixing problems. Still, it’s worth a shot, and you’ve gotta start somewhere. It also gives you ammunition for later, when you need to escalate your complaint to the next level. When dealing with CSRs, always be firm but polite. And always take detailed notes. Write down the date and time of your call, the name of the person that you are speaking with, their operator ID or phone extension, a direct phone number (if available — usually it’s not), as well as exactly what (if anything) they promised to do to resolve your problem.

Five Cent Nickel: Solving Customer Service Problems

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LLU and upgrade round up

November 14, 2006 · 39 Comments

It appears the magical upgrade to 8MB isn’t working out for many customers. I’ve had a positive avalanche of complaints from you guys regarding lost or seriously degraded service.

The symptoms of being upgraded:
1. Connectivity becomes intermittent
2. You’re told there’s ‘nooooo problem at all’ but then, they retract and suddenly realize there may be something wrong.
3. Your phone line dies. Then your VOIP phone dies.
4. It’s obviously BT’s fault.

Martin is dealing with the issue of connection drops during the evening:

Was advised that my broadband would be improved on 23 Oct – yes the speed went up to 5/6 thingy bobs!! but unfortunately the system drops out after 10 minutes. Went to help/support (what a joke!!) got neither. emailed and got replies saying contact LLU (what a joke!!) can’t get through – spoke to customer service – through in no time – asked for help – they said I need to speak to LLU team – put me through to the bl—dy music again (what a joke!)(find myself singing the song all day long now!!). Now 20 days later no change in situation – system works OK during the day (when I am at work!!) but not in the eveining !!

Another Martin was working fine, amazingly, until his upgrade:

Have been running 834v2 with 3.0.31 firmware perfectly until the exchange was upgraded two weeks ago, since then very intermitent broadband, and when it does work, only for a few minutes before it dies. Rebooting router can help, but again, only for a few minutes. Am waiting callback from TT LLU department to see if they canhelp, otherwise I’ll be cancelling my contract in the morning, going back to BT and finding a new broadband provider!

I’ll try changing the DNS to manual entry on the router side, but don’t hold out much hope!

Will let you know if I have any luck with engineers!

Peter’s connection petered out:

TalkTalk broadband was installed with very few problems and pretty constant reliability until the fateful day that my service was “improved to give me the best possible connection”

Yup it was the dreaded LLU unbundling operation- subsequent to which , just like the previous blogger,the service went awol at peak times. If I do get a connection after 7pm it is so slow that I cry out for my old dial up pay as you go line back.

Calls to the helpline eventually got my complaint logged and a member of the LLU team did actually call me back three times. His verdict was that “we have a major broadband outage problem at my local exchange,they are aware of the problem and that I am by no means the only customer affected. It will be corrected within days.”

Days stretch into weeks and weeks into months and still the problem is unresolved.

Come on TT , I was a happy customer who was prepared to champion your cause against all the adverse publicity but you are testing my patience to the limit.

Joe is jonesing for a lawsuit:

i am a talk talk user and i was told that they were going to update the lines to give me a better internet speed. Since i have been put on llu i have had nothing but problems.now talk talk refuse to take my tech calls because its llu’s problem now and llu keeps hanging up the phone when all i ask them to do is test my line.

I am a calm and tranqual person but if you pay for a service you expect it to work not work for 2 mins and then get greff for asking llu to do there job. I spent all day on the phone to bt today asking them what my options are with changing the isp from llu to BT. they cheaked the line and said it is impossible unless i get a mac code. i got a mac code and then phoned bt bk. the mac code is usless because llu have altered the exchange line to there own equipment. as far as i know i we were not toldof llu pulling a wire out of the bt exchange to connect to there own box. they have me by the nuts. i cant change isp and i am bound by a contract. this is my old mans house and i origonaly got talk talk because of the free calls we could make to italy, america, germany ect. the internet was part of the package. now i feel like they have violated my staturtory rights as a consumer by not giving the service and refusing to deal with the ongoing problem i am haveing with llu. If there are more ppl with this problem and dont want to stand for the shit they are giving us then e mail me please. power in numbers. with enough of us we could get the best leagle representation for possably less than 50p each.we could take llu and talk talk to the cleaners. please let me know what you guys think. I dont want to be pushed around by a company that dont give a crap about us and wont help us. I have my reasons for needing the net so please dont have to state your reasons for needing/wanting it. just if you have had problems with them then let me know.

Roy didn’t even have a telephone line!

I was due to receive the LLU upgrade on 24/10. Since then I have had no phone or internet access. Trying to contact helplines is very difficult. Then after finally geting through to a UK call centre on the Friday afternoon, I was told nothing could be done as it was an engineering problem associated with the upgrade. It took until Monday morning when a friendly operator in South Africa, took my details and actually logged a fault!

Keeba feels everyone’s pain.

*sigh* finally got talktalk after waiting nearly 8 weeks, 6 weeks later (up to now) and sitll no modem -_-”, lucky i have a router so i been using that. everything was going fine then i got a letter saying they were gonna upgrade me to a higher connection . Since then my line just cuts off randomly and can take up to 15 mins sometimes before i can reconnect. Talktalk seriously sucks

Lesley’s phone doesn’t work either:

HAVING WAITING SEVERAL MONTHS TO RECEIVE MY BROADBAND MODEM I EVENTUALLY GOT UP AND RUNNING. EVERYTHING HAD BEEN OK. I THEN RECEIVED A LETTER ABOUT THE SERVICE BEING UPGRADED. GREAT I THOUGHT. BUT I HAVE NOW BEEN LEFT WITH NO PHONE FOR THE PAST WEEK. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON.

Joe finds a newer NetGear router may be the answer:

I still had no phone after 3 days following LLU 8mb upgrade only broadband. I tried a friends newer Netgear DG834N ADSL2 router and that worked on new 8mb but my old netgear DG834Gv2 did not… was that just a coincidence?

Anyway after lots of nagging to TalkTalk they have backed out of the 8mb upgrade (as it was apparently affecting loads of people) and am back down to 2mb and everything seems ok again on my old router.

I guess I’m going to have the same problems when the try to upgrade to 8mb again!

26 HOURS?! Wow. Phillip is way more patient than I am.

Because we know that were shite

We have got to get it together – Now

Still no BB after 26hours calls on hold and 6 e-mails and 3 letters.

LLU may not be the way ahead – ADSL line was fine before my upgrate.

All UK BB is rubbish needs to be sorted out.

Joe found that it was BT’s fault… naturally.

Just got through to talktalk helpdesk after 45mins to say my phone has no dial tone since yesterday mornings scheduled 8mb upgrade.

They said that they were having major problems and three of the exchanges were down in the area, could be Erith, Crayford, Dartford. Fix ETA for tomorrow sometime (wed 25/10/06)

Saying that my broadband works (5-6mb speeds) with speedtouch modem but not my netgear router, so not sure it’s a “major” exchange down problem as they said.

I also asked the nice engineer if it was a problem with talktalkak’s LLU and he blamed it on BT exchange being down… Could be defamotary!

SSDD for Anthony

I have had the same….all was fine til the LLU upgrade,then no phone and no net……next to no customer service……Talktalk need shooting!!!……it is the worst experiance of my life!!…be warned….do not go near them!!

Ian’s cool phone stopped working. :(

Hi well ive had TalkTalk for about 4 months, the broadband was fine until i became LLU now its a shambles, I have a netgear 834G and also a Zyxel VOIP Router, since LLU the Zyxel refueses to work at all, while the Netgear works for a couple of hours buts gradually gets slower and slower until you end up having to reset the router. any ideas. the router is on TalkTalk recommended settings and the MTU is currently 1458

I have a thought….

Could it be that the hardware they’ve already shipped, that was already a bit crap, isn’t compatible with the exchange after LLU is complete?

I dunno.

Just a thought.

Can anyone confirm?

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BT charges when customers switch

November 14, 2006 · 1 Comment

Oh dear. This doesn’t bode well for us. Chances are that Carphone Warehouse and their ilk will probably pass this cost on to the rest of us.

BT IS to impose a new penalty charge on rival broadband operators whose customers defect to another provider.

The “cessation” charge, which is likely to face fierce opposition from other internet providers, is part of a wider pricing shake-up within BT’s wholesale division. The overhaul is designed to help it to compete against the cheap offerings of rivals such as Carphone Warehouse.

BT to levy new charge on rival broadband providers

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40 percent of UK users think their ISP sucks

November 14, 2006 · 2 Comments

That’s a pretty massive margin. Don’t you guys think? 40 percent…. 2.8 million.

Good. Lord.

The aggressive moves by Carphone Warehouse and Orange to offer free broadband have backfired, according to uSwitch, the price-comparison service, which has found that 2.8 million – or more than 40 per cent – of UK broadband customers are not satisfied with their supplier.

‘Free broadband’ offer from Carphone and Orange backfires

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Vodafone offers bundled service

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

More 18 month contracts? I dislike the sound of that. However, Vodafone get big plus points from me for having free tech support. Rarity in the UK market.

As for the package itself – which will be available from 8 January – it is centred on an 8Mbit broadband connection, provides free 24/7 tech support and bundles inclusive landline calls to any UK landline including 25 per cent off calls to mobiles. Vodafone mobile customers will be charged a very reasonable £25 per month (including line rental) while non-Vodafone customers can get a piece of the action for £35pm. An optional wireless Netgear router is offered for £25.

From day one Vodafone At Home will be available to 97 per cent of homes but it is subject to the infamous 18 month contract. By way of consolation, subscribers will be able to buy the Vodafone Mobile Connect USB Modem for £58 (half the normal RRP) and a monthly fee of £29 will allow them to use Vodafone’s 3G broadband network away from home from their laptop.

Vodafone Launches Highly Competitive Broadband Bundle

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BT shuffles out 150 engineers to Openreach

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

BT asked Ofcom for permission to relocate about 150 engineers over to Openreach. Will this make the LLU process any less painful?

Find out in the next installment…

2006 was perhaps not the best year to try and get Openreach up and running, as the growth in demand in particular for LLU services, and the more traditional IPstream and Datastream services has put a strain on the limited number of engineering staff the company has. This has lead to longer than usual lead times for things like migrations, ceasing a service, fault finding or just getting connected in the first place.

To this end BT asked Ofcom for permission to allow 150 BT Global Services engineers who have the necessary training to work for Openreach in a move to address the current service challenges. A copy of the letter along with the Ofcom reply can be found at www.ofcom.org.uk. Ofcom has agreed to this arrangement for a short period which runs until the start of the New Year.

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NTL/Virgin to roll out high street stores in 2007

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

NTL, another most reviled ISP, is rolling out a whole bunch of shops for us to be attacked by zealous sales people in.

According to an interview with the FT, Neil Berkett, chief operating officer of NTL, has revealed its company’s plans to roll out a strong network of retail stores once it relaunches as Virgin in 2007. The company hopes to take advantage of the existing Virgin stores and it hopes the move will help to explain its quadruple-play offer (broadband, pay-TV, landline and mobile) more easily to existing and potential customers.

Better or worse? Better or worse? I don’t actually know.

NTL/Telewest/Virgin to conquer the high street in 2007

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Customers tired of hype

November 14, 2006 · Leave a Comment

Thisismoney.co.uk has a run down of things that us little customer types are afraid of. Carphone Warehouse’s “free broadband” is included.

Then there is the ‘free’ broadband offered by Charles Dunstone’s Carphone Warehouse group. Certainly if you can fight the queues to get one of his broadband connections, they are free.

But you qualify only if you pay a one-off connection fee of £29.99 then £20.99 a month for a Carphone telephone line.

Not exactly ‘free’ then –and that is after the company has been rapped over the knuckles by the Advertising Standards Authority.

Connection fee of 29.99? Glad I got in there when I did. No connection fee for us!

Let’s be clear, public is tired of hype

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